The beauty of America is that any moron can run for office...and any moron can vote.

Now do you think we pay teachers too much?....or not enough!

So his implication is that if there is any kind of gun control there will be a Holocaust? So in his world you gives guns to absolutely everyone with no rules at all and things will be peachy cool. So he thinks that gun control is what led to the Holocaust. He is so clueless and I seriously hope after that he doesn't get elected to anything, including dogcatcher.

I would like to say that sadly this is what happens when the marginally educated run for government unfortunetaly educated politicians say these kind of stupid things too. Maybe not to the extent that this loser went.

What is does reveal is that "Joe" doesn't have the capacity to deal with issues of today.

Actually, Lisa, he hasn't got one.

(But Sarah Palin did. In fact, she kept it.)

@Steve-2570999- I absolutely love your comment!

The actual facts are that Hitler loosened gun control from what had been put into effect earlier, so "Joe the Plumber" so-called point is wrong from the get-go.

Mike- 1499840 is absolutely correct. The ghetto uprising was one of the biggest forms of resistance by the Jews against the nazi regime...

I agree with Mike, I don't see what the big deal is. So you people don't agree with his view point so he must be an idiot? I'm not saying that he is an intelligent man, but I am smart enough to know that he probably didn't come up with that ad his self. He's listening to the Republican establishment and doing as he's told. As for the folks on here that say teachers should be paid more.......why? Look at our scores compared to the rest of the world. Are you seriously saying that the current teachers are purposely not giving their students their all because their pay isn't up to snuff? That if they got a raise the test numbers would magically go through the roof? I call BS. I'm so sick of these teachers acting like their jobs are oh so hard. They get more time off during the year than most of the rest of the country. Their average pay is quite a bit more than the average American's. It's a career, not community service that should be admired. You get paid for it and still get a pension, something the private sector could only dream about. Get bent with your pay raises. Start producing results with the currently largest education budget in the world and then maybe we can talk a raise. Wisconsin just figured it out way before the rest of the country. The rest of us will follow and you will be held accountable.

Wasn't this nut job found to be an unlicensed plumber? Fox Commentary will be working overtime getting this one elected!

Mike, so wait.. there was a holocaust AND the Jews still had all those weapons? That uprising was in 1943, right? That was about 18 months before Hitler died! In other words, it was near the END of the holocaust! The holocaust started in 1933.

It might be helpful if you actually did read the history.

Joe said the gun control was established in 1939. Warsaw Ghetto Uprising was way after that. Oh, and that was WAY after the holocaust started.

But, the 1938 November law actually deregulated weapons for almost all classes of citizens except Jews. And that was because Jews were, as of that day, not allowed to pretty much own ANYTHING.

So, it's a failed argument, and Joe would know that if he had done any studying... looking up just the single item of Kristallnacht or gun-politics in Germany.

He might be Romneys VP choice...both perfect together. ;)

OK, NO, the Jews did NOT have all that weaponry and YES Hitler did prohibit Jews from owning guns...as he prohibited Jews from actually being human, in the long run.

The Warsaw ghetto uprising was made possible by the illegal smuggling of arms, done in order to protect themselves.

Gun control did not lead to the holocaust, it simply made it much easier to control those who were not allowed to have them.

Travis E. So you don't think teachers should be paid more? And, it's not a hard job. Wow, you didn't spend much time in school did you? Your right, why pay more for teachers, people like you that went through the school system didn't listen anyway.

those who are offended by it "are probably serving a political agenda."

Says the moronic NRA stooge. Ironic.

For those who think teachers are overpaid let's think about it for just a minute. Would you tell your favorite sports team they are overpaying their players and would have a better chance at the championship if they would just pay less? How about the many CEO's, tell the board of directors that for borderline poverty wages they could get the same or better talent? Maybe politicians who spout this line should be given the opportunity to "raise" their wages by the negative percentage required to meet current teacher's salaries. I just wonder how many of you realize a starting management training position at a gas station or fast food joint pays the same or better than a starting teaching position, and a four year degree is required by most districts to get a teaching job. You can start as a manager trainee if you can count change back to a customer, sometimes even that is not required. IMHO I would rather pay teachers higher wages, my children deserve no less.

Travis is right, though so many of you would place your blinders. Teachers here in the USA get FAR more than anywhere else in the world in thier benefits and salary, not to mention thier opportunity for advancement. .. My answer.. IF YOU DONT LIKE THE JOB OR FEEL YOU ARE NOT GETTING PAID ENOUGH>> LEAVE!!... find another job that offers as much elsewhere. This crap has got to stop !.. Moreover, if you are not doing what you LOVE to do for your living, then QUIT, because your A** is a bane to the rest of us that would rather be happy with what we can collect for our tiny contribution to this age we live in, and ALL it's pitfalls. Each of us will always STRIVE for better, even if we may fall short, and those teachers who think themselves above and beyond what they might offer should REALLY get a clue. As for me personally, they can kiss my rosey red pucker hole. They already get more than they deserve. Ask your own child, and see if you can expect a realistic and valid answer!!!!

Of course those who want to do away with the Second Amendment are going to criticize him. And of course Marcy Kaptur wants to downplay the issue because she's on the wrong side of the issue.

Don't know what Kaptur's complaint is about the economy. Her party leader said that the private sector is doing just fine, thank you.! I did notice that she didn't come up with any answers to the issues she raised. But, then again, the private sector is doing fine so no "answer" is needed.

What the people really want to hear about is what our representatives are going to do to reduce the humungous appetite that our politicians seem to have for taking our money, and money we don't have, and wasting it and just plain doing more to screw up the economy. Federal spending is 33% more than it was just 4 years ago. The federal debt is about 60% more than it was 4 years ago. The workforce has shrunk by millions of jobs over the last 4 years. The policies of the Obama administration have failed miserably. Not just in the last 4 years but throughout history they have never been successful. NEVER!

So, with politicians doing all they can to grab more power for themselves, it is refreshing to see someone stand up to that. And Kaptur must be pretty dumb if she doesn't see that.

Mexico is such a wonderful example of gun control, don't you think? Especially with Obama's help.

RIght, the drug lords in Mexico are kinda like the Tea party in the U.S., out of control and out of their minds...they both believe guns are valid tools for prosperity.

Too dense to realize the Nazis were ultra right . Far from liberal . Typical of the uneducated reactionary right .

Idiots are unity saying they are not as dumb as Johnnie the Rock.

Liberals are right wing fascists. OWS is a perfect example, as are SEIU thugs. Remember Earth Liberation Front? Eco terrorism in general? You can compare liberal to conservative and right to left but not liberal and right, too often they are one and the same. The KKK was a historic example or right wing liberals, as was Robert Byrd, George Wallace, etc.

Kennedy had MLK on the government watch list and his brother Bobby tried to link him with a hooker to discredit him. Meanwhile conservative Charlton Heston marched with King.

Liberals are downright eager to throw Jews under the bus. Obama has had to back away from siding with Muslims on more than one occasion. Hitler grew out of the socialist democrat party of Germany.

It is liberals that are uneducated.

I do believe Joe the Plumber didn't have a license. Just like his supporters, he didn't think first. He wanted his 15 minutes.

He not only didn't have a license, he wasn't a plumber...he was a helper, hoping to earn a license and start a company. That's what I remember, anyway.

Not so simply Phil both Nazis and Communists agree on total gun control against the civilian population. No current Communist Nation allows for private gun ownership except for a few Commy Stooges & Henchmen. The Nazis did not allow private gun ownership to the Civilian population

Oh, Jehosophat... we all know the Nazis were pretty damn, extreme, intolerant fux. "The Nazis breathed air and drank water therefore they're just like the Democrats!" Inductive reasoning much? Don't you think there's at least a LITTLE wiggle room between "send millions to death camps" and "no, you don't need to own armor piercing howitzer shells?"

Oh, yeah. Posted by yet another gun-owning liberal, thank you.

Liberals are fascists. They want to control everything and remove personal freedom in favor of the state. I never thought in my lifetime some idiot would try to ban 16 oz soda's or bake sales. Liberals want to control what you eat, what you drink, what you drive, where you live, what you see, what you hear, etc. They have all but destroyed property rights, for the good of the state of course.

Fascism requires a large overreaching central government, who is in favor of government growth? Democrat liberals. Conservatives are, by definition, anti fascist because they believe in a LIMITED central government.

You can't have a fascist police state with a hobbled government, private gun ownership, and a free media, something else liberals want to do away with. Silence FOX, silence Rush, that's your fascist goal.

Most of the civilized world has near, or total gun control... not just the Nazi's and current Community nations.

Don't mistake that for me saying I favor gun control, however the point you are trying to make is invalid and ignorant. Gun control does not exist only in oppresive nations, it exist almost everywhere but here. Ask someone from Europe what scares them the most about coming to the US... and theres a good chance it will be something like "You crazy people all own guns". We are free people that also have the right to own guns.... not the other way around. So don't link the right to own a gun to being free.

Kurt are you serious. We need intelligent thinking people in Congress not hot heads and do nothings. This guy is a joke and if he is elected he will not serve his constituents well. Have you listened to the guy. Yucck

Think Japan, the UK and other progressive countries too. The house is completely screwed up so yes its seems he would fit right in. Love to see that idiot in a debate.

Seems you identify with him (and I'm not talking gun rights)

Kurt, you are taking a grain of truth and turning it into a landslide. read up on causation and correlation and you will understand why your comments have no basis in fact and do nothing to further the cause of making informed decisions. Quoting misinformation is not the way to go.

LOL.

Lets se Failed plumber Check, Failed Economics class Check, Failed high school Check, Failed to hold a full time job Check, Failed as a news journalist Check, Failed as McCains working man mouth piece Check, gee seems old Sam who tried to show off his stupidity by claiming to be an important businessman sure does fail a lot.

Whomitmay:

You are spot on with your talking points about Obama!!!!!

Sorry but once again GOP talking points won't save Joe er Sam or whoever the guy is pretending to be this week. Funny how you just can't grasp that is Sam's history, nothing but failures. What is it with you republican supporters and your love affairs with failures and insane people anyhow. Most smart people lock up their insane in mental hospitals, not elect them to congress.

Observer, one of the dumbest responses I've seen on here, and that's saying a lot.

ObserverNYC: easily the most idiotic comment on this thread (so far, hey, it's still ealry). Exactly WHEN did Obama fail at being a plumber? When did he fail in school (economics class or otherwise)? When was he unemployed? When did he work as McCain's mouthpiece? When did he work (and fail) as a journalist? Obviously, Whomitmay described no one but Joe The Plumber. Please go back to your troll's cave under the bridge.

He certainly failed at being a president. Over 40 months of 8%+ unemployment. That's a record. $1.3 trillion deficits year after year. That's a record. Most people on food stamps ever. That's a record.

If they all had guns, would have fared much better. Just look at the private militias that won the revolution for that soon to be country later known as the United States. We owe are freedoms in this nations due to guns in the hands of PRIVATE citizens back in the 1770s & 1780s

You should have explained that in 1776, well maybe not. You might have been shot at that time for your remark.

Hey Kurt...

That was a long time ago. How well do you think you would do today with your little pea shooter against the government's tanks, attack helicoptors, and drones? I would venture to guess that you would not do well. Not even a little.

I'd rather die in MY home, defending myself and my family from an oppressive government, with a gun in my hands, than die in a prison camp.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, Kurt, but: of the more than 5.7 million jews killed in the holocaust, 142,000 were from Germany. Do you suppose that if all those German Jews had a gun, they would have fended off the entire German army? That would be some feat. But then again, Joe The Not Actual Plumber never was one for book lernin'...

We owe are freedoms in this nations due to guns in the hands of PRIVATE citizens back in the 1770s & 1780s

Not exactly. The war may have *started* with personal weaponry and local militias, but it quickly grew into a war between *armies* (and navies). Most of the muskets were eventually supplied by the French. And I'm pretty sure there were few cannon in private possession.

Not that I'm against gun ownership. I own a couple. But it isn't accurate to say that private militias and private gun ownership won the war.

The end result's the same. You and your family are dead either way. And any soldiers you might kill before you die are just cannon fodder not all that much different from you, in that they too are helpless against the people who have the real power.

No kidding, -human. Just the military, squad training with basic troop weaponry will pretty much annihilate the local militias made up of somebody's dad and general rednecks. Militias are good to show the gov't that the poeple will fight rather than keep making widgets if necessary and that would be a real bummer for the gov't and nothing more.

Just look at the private militias that won the revolution for that soon to be country later known as the United States.

The militias got their heads handed to them until we were finally trained by Europeans and pulled into some sort of fighting army (much later in the War). It still took the French ships blockading Yorktown to end the battle. Even then the English were busy elsewhere and intended to return later (1812). We were a) lucky b) helped by French hatred of England and c) lucky

"And any soldiers you might kill before you die are just cannon fodder not all that much different from you, in that they too are helpless against the people who have the real power."

So you are saying we are just like the Nazi's? Speak for yourself.

"Just the military, squad training with basic troop weaponry will pretty much annihilate the local militias made up of somebody's dad and general rednecks"

Stupid comment. Most militia's contain ex military, often ex special forces. As a civilian I've trained at the same grounds side by side with special forces, snipers, and agents named "Joe Smith". There are all kinds of training sites all over the US that the military, alphabet agencies, FBI, ect. use and are open to civilians for the right price.

You mean the Current Administration Bozos that want Gun Control on Law Abiding Citizens in the USA but sent guns to Drug Dealers and Gangs in Mexico?

What has the current administration done that makes you think they're for gun control?

Shhh- Kurt read it on the internets.

Excellent question, howie. Kurt, care to tell us how the current administration diminished your ability to own or carry a gun? I am baffled by this campaign argument. The right used it leading up to 2008 only to find that the Obama administration did nothing to curtail gun ownership. The new cry: "Imagine what President Obama will do if he gets a second term!" My very educated guess: pretty much the same thing he did in his first term. Nothing.

People that campaign or vote against President Obama based on gun control issues are living in an alternate reality.

Kurt doesn't need any facts to back up his paranoia. We all know that Obama is merely biding his time and lulling Americans into a false sense of security, so he can revoke the 2nd Amendment and turn America into a commie-Nazi superstate where we'll be forced to gay marry during his second term. Wayne LaPierre told me so.

hey kurt, you might want to bone up on your facts prior to posting. the program was started in 2006 - do you remember who the president was in 2006?

A few questioned me that Obama was for gun Control, here are 10 backup reasons that he is (of course, not NOW, it is too close to the election)

1. Obama supported a shutdown of all gun stores within five miles of a school or park – a move that would have closed 99% of gun stores nationwide.
2. Obama supported Ted Kennedy’s ammo ban to outlaw all deer-hunting ammunition.
3. Obama green-lighted discussions that would lead to a U.N. gun ban treaty, signaling the U.N. that America would support steps toward global civilian disarmament.
4. Obama is one vote away from a Supreme Court gun- ban majority to rubber-stamp gun control laws and overturn the Second Amendment.
5. Obama’s regulatory “czar,” Cass Sunstein, wants to ban hunting and says animals should be represented in court.
6. Obama is trying to slash funding for the Armed Pilots Program designed to prevent terror attacks.
7. Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt American gun makers.
8. Obama’s administration illegally smuggled guns to Mexican drug lords, then imposed illegal gun registration in four states, blaming gun owners for his administration’s insane policy.
9. Obama’s Attorney General Eric Holder said we need to “really brainwash people” against guns.
10. Obama admits he’s coming for our guns, telling Sarah Brady, “We are working on [gun control], but under the radar.”

Kurt - let's not forget about end-run tactics like having the EPA ban lead in ammunition because lead has been found to cause health issues, or adding compounds to the gunpowder used in ammunition that reduces the efficacy of the gunpowder over time.

After all...without ammunition, guns make great clubs.

Yes, Ric, there are many more beyond my 10 backup reasons already stated that Obama is for gun control. Notice, those who disputed me did NOT come with backup showing Obama is for gun ownership rights. Their only backup is Obama (Administration) is for giving guns to Mexican Drug Dealers and Gangs.

OMG Kurt! Where did you get these "facts"?!?! You must have found it on some right-wing militia website so these "facts' MUST be true, right? I couldn't stop laughing as I read your post. Especially the "fact" that 99% of all gun shops are within 5 miles of a school or park! I know of at least 3 shops in my neck of the woods alone that do not fit that crtieria. Wow. Such a coincidence that SO MANY of that last 1% of shops are in my general area! What are the odds?! ROTFLMAO!

Rad - five minutes with this really cool thing called Google brings up this...

NRA Claim: "Close Down 90 Percent of Gun Shops in America"

Uncertain: This claim also is based on the 1999 Defender article. It reported Obama was pushing "all federally licensed gun dealers sell firearms in a storefront and not from their homes while banning their business from being within five miles of a school or a park." The NRA states that the 5-mile limit would have resulted in the closing of 90 percent of gun shops in the country. But as a U.S. senator Obama hasn't pushed for a 5-mile limit and isn't proposing one as part of his presidential campaign.

We asked the Obama campaign about his current position on imposing a five-mile limit on gun shops but have received no response.

This came from a really conservative source: FactCheck.org. Now, being conservative, I'm going to err on the side of "better safe than sorry".

In this case, preventing King Barack the First from spending another four (or more) years at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave is in my best interest.

Now, that's just one of Kurt's comments that's substantiated. You're free to spend less time typing out "OMG" and more time actually doing some research. Who knows...you just might learn something along the way.

Kurt's comments: thanks for showing us how you guys "think"...scary...suddenly I can see a practical application for a "poll tax"

I repeat my question since it went unanswered. Kurt, care to tell us how the current administration diminished your ability to own or carry a gun?

If it isn't posted on Huffington Post or MoveOn.org it can't be true according to idiot liberals.

All of Kurt's points as well as the lead bullet ban are facts and aren't even secretive at that. Liberals ignore ANY facts that detract from the Marxist in chief.

You're talking about President Bush then, since the Fast and the Furious was in 2006. It was the Obama administration that discovered it and ended it, and it is the extremists occupying the House along with Faux News that are trying to blame it on our first elected President in 16 years.

But hey, don't let facts and reality get in the way of your hate.

JXC - don't let the facts get in the way of your progressive/socialist/liberal Kool-aid break.

Operation Fast and Furious came about on the Obama watch, and has led to the death of a Border Patrol agent.

Operation Wide Receiver was started - and ended - on the Bush watch. Little more is known about this program, including whether or not it was ever implemented, etc.

And, before you trot out your tired "Faux News" bulls#!t, this information came from the Huffington Post. I'm sure you'll try to convince yourself that the HuffPost is some closeted conservative source, but don't try for too long...your head will explode.

Now, you may return to your Kool-aid and afternoon prayers to King Barack the First.

nice try rik - but you voted for bush.

Your point being, arch?

Post some facts. Post a counter argument. Post something - anything - of value!

Oh, never mind...I forgot it was your Kool-aid and all-hail King Barack the First break, too.

Wide receiver was cancelled before one gun crossed the border. The guns were deemed too hard to track so the entire program was cancelled.

Again libs, this isn't exactly state secrets we're talking about. Holder tried to tie it to the previous administration by lying to congress but the justice department had to retract his testimony and set the record straight, it wasn't the first time.

The reason Holder is being charged with contempt is he as been caught in lies repeatedly and refuses to cooperate.

Please enlighten me libs, If you were CEO and an underling made a stupid mistake, how many minutes would it take for you to find out who did it? It's taken Holder months. If he is that incompetent he deserves to be flushed. If Obama is incompetent enough to hire such an idiot, he deserves to be flushed.

It's real simple, start at the bottom and work your way up. Except now that Obama has claimed executive decision, it's plain the decision would go all the way up.

There is no truth, it's tasteless. I'm a Jew and I find it repulsive to use something that was very bad in my cultural history toward your agenda.

LIberals don't hate truth - they hate ignorance. Joe is about as bright as a broken light bulb!

The Nazi propaganda machine used the tactic of accusing others of doing, and being, what they themselved did and were. Sound familiar Heynow? I'll give you a hint, Rove, GOP, RNC, Faux News and you all use this tactic.

Pathetic liberal lies. Try Obama Reid, Pelosi, Holder, etc. MSDNC has been caught in lies, one of their producers was fired for it.

We handed over our capitalist economy to a bunch of socialists led by a Marxist, that's how much we devolved.

That will change soon enough.

Wrong, they tend to have more violent crimes. Australia has one of the strictest gun laws in the world and their robbery and burglary crimes are through the roof. Guess what? Knives are the biggest weapon used now. Japan is a touchy subject as their honor system is more of a deterrent than actual control.

Are you seriously trying to compare burglary to murder and violent crimes? Idiot. Do some research.

As our gun laws have been liberalized, violent crime here have decreased. This has gone on for decades now. It's why 49 states now allow conceal carry and over half have castle "stand your ground" laws, they work.

Uhm, dan, you were there in that Sanford Neighborhood at the exact time to witness the incident? It is for the courts to decide what really happen instead of assuming what happened

Yes, Martin was murdered and all he did was jump from the bushes and physically attack Zimmerman.

Kurt and Ric. The end is near. I really see no option but to seal yourselves in your bunkers and wait for the rapture. Make sure to use lots of duct tape to keep the doors sealed tight.

Sillyness, the end is near for you. Nov to be exact. Time to crawl in your bunker.

A weapon is like a fire extinguisher. I have one in my kitchen but likely will never use it. Same with my CC permit.

Unless you live in Illinois odds are you pass conceal carry civilians without even knowing it.

What "valid point" does he make? He makes the opposite of a "valid point" by connecting things that are completely unconnectable.

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The 'valid' point is that if it is widely known we cannot defend ourselves - then we are a sitting duck - as a country and as individuals. And unless you have spent time watching ducks raise their young - you haven't a clue as to the real meaning of 'sitting duck'.

The last thing to develop on young ducklings are their wings. They have no teeth or claws. No means to fight back. No means to escape. Sitting duck.

You may also want to catch up on recent history. Syria?? Unarmed civilians being gunned down? Sudan? ..........

A gun for DEFENSIVE measure is simply self-protection from scum that use them for OFFENSIVE measures. I have yet to hear of any human that can out run a bullet, and we already know there is plenty of scum on the planet.

Back in the day of our Founding Fathers, a local militia wasn't too different from the military of the time, save the uniforms and probably some discipline. If you think your local "Michigan Militia" type group is going to win against your fantastical attack by the government... with drones, satellite weapons, bunker bombs, tactical nukes, etc.... you guys got a LOT more training, smuggling, and scientists to recruit/kidnap.

And Afghan militias sent Russia packing with their tails between their legs. Drones, satellite weapons, etc., do no good when you can't tell civilians from rebels. Ask Obama, he's killed so many civilians he's turned two loyal allies into uncooperative adversaries.

You can get training from the best of the best all over the country, on all kinds of weapons. There are also millions of ex military and many are in militias.

Yeah, my favorite was his rallying against "freeloaders" getting welfare... that he himself once received. Joe, we the taxpayers want the money back that you "redistributed" from us!!!

What do you expect from someone who supported McCain/Palin

I voted for Obama, but I can't support comments like that. There were many intelligent, reasonable people who voted for McCain. Heck, if he'd have picked Lieberman as VP, *I* might have voted for him! Completely writing off everyone who doesn't vote the way you do merely contributes to the divisiveness that's tearing the political landscape apart. We need reasonable people to stand up and be counted, and divisive, intolerant people - on BOTH sides - to be shouted down.

Not necessarily. All we hear about are the extreme gun nuts. The ones who want to wield their gun as a sign of power to shore up their mental inadequacies. ZThe ones who want control over others because 'their' world is the 'right' world.

You simply can't put all gun owners in the same freakazoid pot just as we can't classify all non-owners as wimps.

Didn't you get the memo, Steve? Edu-ma-cation is to be feared and untrusted. Scientists and academics are in high percentages against right-wing causes because they just "hate truth!"

Sillyness, liberals are right wing fascists. OWS, SEIU thugs, vandalism, intimidation, ACORN, New Black Panthers, etc., the list goes on and on.

Conservatives are, by definition, anti fascist because they believe in LIMITED central government, unlike liberals. It's pretty hard to have a limited fascist government.

Obama, Reid, Pelosi, the three stooges.

Molon labe. For you liberal arts majors.

You're very tough. We're all very impressed with your toughness.....

Thanks, Jude. Can you grunt and scratch under your arms while you say that? That will fill the picture for me. Oh, wait. That's already what I was picturing.

As a gun owner, honestly, it scares me the paranoia that drives a majority of my fellow gun owners...

And the very fact you say majority of gun owners proves you are NOT a gun owner or you'd know better. Nice try.