Ed Schultz plays video of President Bush from four years ago to remind Americans of what economic realities actually were like then.
"Republicans aren't focusing on the reality of four years ago, instead they are blaming all the economic problems on President Obama," argues Schultz.
Four years ago, the economy was in free-fall and the country was losing nearly 800,000 jobs a month. Republicans say Americans were better off. Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., and Ed Schultz explain why the Republicans are so very wrong.
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This segment should have been running since last Friday morning. My guess that the Ryan fabrications and Eastwood dramatics got MSNBC off focus. Well, I hope to see that this continues, begining in the morning with Morning Joe. MSNBC has far too many exceptionally smart people, to let the GOP take over control of the talking points, in the schedule of commentary.
It just amaze me how you republicans can justify your faults, and mistakes and horrible reputation but begging for forgiveness by blaming everyone else and never takeing resposibility for your own actions.
So pathetic.
Then you have no problem by lying, cheating and doing more horrible acts to destroy this country. Wave you flag and pretend to be in Love with America when you show your hate in everyway possible.
Calling Obama a muderer just proves how low you can go. What a lowly coward you are. You didnot mind it when bush had a plan to do the same thing. In fact when Obama took care of the job, you wanted to give bush the credit. What is your problem?....... you are a republican through and through.
BILLYHILL#1.2~~G Bush, "bin Laden wanted dead or alive" REMEMBER??
No, Great, they want to forget those bush years as well as we would like to have not to have had them.
Notice......and I do mean.......Notice..........the only bush at the RNC was not either of the late bush presidents that the republicans would like to for get........gut Jeb......the want to be candidate for President at a later date......NO MORE BUSHYNESSS IN THE WHITE HOUSE. .......
So Obama shot Osama, huh? All this time I thought Obama was in the situation room but thank you, Billy, for finally acknowledging and giving Obama credit for it even though it's in a warped way. I wonder if the friends and family of the people who died on 9/11 sees it the same way (Obama a murderer???).
By the way, I refer to it as self-defense.
http:/ /abcnews.go.com/Blotter/osama-bin-laden-letters-al-qaeda-leader-frustrated/story?id=16268578#shine 3
(Remove the space between the //'s after you copy & paste the link to your search engine.)
By the way, Billy, just out of curiosity, are you an Osama bin Laden supporter?
billyhill,
you give yourself away every time you call our President "barry". we know where you stand, and where you are getting your information-from the likes of orly taitz, james okeefe, the dead andrew breitbart, and drudge, fox news and etc.
the repubs in washington (mitch mcconnell leading the pack and etc.) have jumped in the sewer with the likes of the bigots i have mentioned above, romney and ryan included, just to regain power from a democratic black man.
i have never seen a president treated so horribly, and Bill Clinton was treated horribly. repubs are unembarassable in their blatant attempts to demonize and destroy our president.
dinesh d'souza is a paranoid and delusional man. the movie, which i HAVE seen, gives NOTHING NEW ABOUT PRESIDENT OBAMA, JUST THE SAME RIGHT WING-NUT RHETORIC THAT I HAVE HEARD SINCE BEFORE BARACK OBAMA TOOK OFFICE.
like breitbart, like okeefe, like drudge, like O'REILLY, like HANNITY, like FUX NEWS, you all keep hoping you will come up with SOMETHING to delegitimatize our President.
OMFG.
please stop your delusional and paranoid hatred of this black man, our first african american President.
PLEASE STOP.
billyhill,
oh? you can determine that i did not see the movie by my statement above?
d'souza wrote a book in 2010, "the roots of Obama's rage". that in itself is an attack, "Obama's rage". the right wants to present President Obama as an "angry black man".
the movie and the book PUSH THE PARANOID AND DELUSIONAL BELIEF that President Obama's attitude toward america comes from his father's "anti-colonialism". the movie and the book push the belief that President Obama wants to fulfill his father's dream of shrinking the power of "western imperial states".
in my opinion, the movie is one big attack on the president-
conspiracy, speculation, and projection.
LET ME BE MORE CLEAR.
LIES LIES LIES.
d'souza served as a policy advisor to reagan. he has been a member of the heritage foundation (the individual mandate).
d'souza is a CONSERVATIVE, acting like the conservatives in washington, like mitt romney and paul ryan, like mitch mcconnell and others too many to mention.
YOU DO NOT SEE THIS MOVIE AS AN ATTACK.
I SEE THIS MOVIE AS AN ATTACK.
this movie is MORE OF THE SAME.
you think President Obama hates america-
you think his childhood was surrounded by commies-
YOU LIKE WHAT THIS MOVIE EXPLAINS, AND HOW IT DESCRIBES OUR PRESIDENT.
it does not show who he really is-
IT SHOWS HOW YOU AND OTHER REPUBS/CONSERVATIVES/BAGGERS WANT TO THINK OF HIM.
it is based on conspiracy, projection and speculation.
are you DEAF BLIND AND DUMB?
this conversation is over.
The Great Recession of 2008 was in reality a "lesser Depression" in all but name. We had an awful recession/lessor depression in the Midwest in the early 1980's that was about as bad as this 2008 downturn. I think the severe recession of the 1980's hammered the Midwest for a good decade in some places because it was just that awful. Machinery dealers went bankrupt and family farms that had been going for generations just went right out of business. Even successful businessmen and farmers lost land or had to downsize their operations back in the 1980's. This time, I think the Southwest, California, and Florida got hammered as bad as the Midwest did in the 1980's. I remember farm after farm and businesses in the Midwest that just went bankrupt one right after the other in the 1980's. Many college friends had to go back to college for a second major or graduate school because there were no jobs for anyone in the 1980's in the Midwest. It was just very difficult to find a job back in those times in the Midwestern states. Many eastern states and Midwestern states lost lots of steel mills and manufacturing plants along with many tens of thousands of good paying blue collar jobs and agriculture was a total bust. I learned as a young man that government unemployment figures seldom tell the real world conditions because in many places it will be far worse than the unemployment figures say.
I think this recent 2008 recession is hardest on the young people right out of school or blue collar guys in their 50's. All I see in America for middle class people is endless struggle with nothing but a pretty bleak harsh future especially if Romney gets in. Young people right now are sucking air economically. When Republicans talk about this being the greatest country on the earth whose country are they talking about? Mitt Romney's one percent world? Because they certainly are not talking about the real world I have lived my whole life in. The biggest complaint of Army soldiers was there were no jobs in their home communities and their girl friend wanted to get married or the mill they worked in went to Mexico. So they enlisted even after graduating from college or tech school. I have not heard a damn word out of Romney's mouth that will change any of this for any people in the struggling middle class except more B.S. about tax cuts for the rich.
When Bush was in office, I received a 600 dollar stimulus check, with President Obama I got nothing.
and who payed for your $600? Two wars started and a tax break with no way to pay for them and you call yourselves the fiscal responsible party...what a joke the republicans have become..
I remember about a $200 check for the Bush tax cuts. My local property taxes went up more than negating the wind fall from Bush. School officials later complained about cuts in federal programs to the state and local school districts. We ended up going exactly nowhere on this deal. The two wars will cause us to pay much higher taxes and opportunity costs at least for another generation.
China probably paid for the stimulus as they did President Obama's 800 billion dollar stimulus give away. But unfortunetaly, most Americans never got a check in the mail, most of which was thrown down the crapper with the likes of Solyndra, Acorn and non existent shovel ready jobs which resulted in more broken promises and massive debt.
You lost us at 'probably'.
No room for 'probably' in these conversations... that's no different than Paul Ryan spouting lies and then saying he didn't, when there is visual proof of him originally lying.
He 'probably' meant something else?
hi, chippy, how is it you make statements that are always off base and in such a crappy way. Acorn......fake drama made up by the republicans.
What was that 800 billion dollar give away......Was there any success in that little stimulus that you forgot to mention?......or did you just like to pick and chose your argument that you make with no sources, no proof and no reason for anyone to take you seriously. So sorry you have such a problem with your facts.
Daveydog4: you will find that liberals will always try to find a distracter like the word Probably, because they can not beat you with facts and logic. $800 billion was only the first of 3 stimulus throw aways. If President Obama cared one bit about the middle class he could have taken the example of Bush with the $600 check given to the middle class and he could have given $250 thousand to every single person that filed a tax return in 2008. But he gave that money to his friends like Solyndra.
If Ed had one ounce of integrity he would give the whole picture of 2008 when the housing market crashed. Ever heard of Freddy and Fanny? This problem actually was being questioned in 2005 by many senator. If you really care you can take 10 seconds and look on google and see who they were. However, the real issue was led by "The Slobbering Idiot" Barney Frank in defending the GOVERNMENT regulations that allowed Freddy and Fanny to go down a path that led to the collapse of the housing industry. Freddy and Fanny owned 1/3 of the housing loans at the time.
There is no doubt that the economy tanked under Bush, his spending habits were out of control, Freddy and Fanny ( democratically ran) was out of control. President Obama has continued the same policies that Bush has and then increased them 10 fold.
And tell us whats the difference between bush and Mutt economic policies? More 'trickle down' economics that have never worked? You voted for bush twice, did you not? A vote for Mutt is a vote for Bush ie; reaganomics. And least you forget bagger, Bush supported Fannie and freddie in 2005.
I disagree with the premise things were better 4 years ago, the manufacturing base is still leaving country at an alarming rate and those that are remaining are having their wages and benefits slashed by up to 35-50 percent. The "Job Czar " to President Obama , General Electric CEO Jeffery Immelt continues to lead the exodus of jobs to China and India using tax payer funded stimulus, bailout and government loans, much of it provided by the American Recovery and ReInvestment Act and the bank bailout bill. Besides, small and big business are scared to death to invest or expand with the uncertainty of the thought of a President Obama second term.
Nonsense. Lack of demand keeps business from expanding. Why would any company, large or small, hire employees if there is no demand for the product beyond what is currently being met? This does not make business evil; it's simply doing its job, maximizing profit.
I don't understand the short term memory loss that's taken over Republicans in general, and the Tea Party specifically. How can anyone forget the conditions that existed in late 2008 and early 2009? We were losing 700-800,000 jobs a month, the stock market crashed costing trillions. GDP was down 6.2 % during the last quarter of 2008 (annual rate) and shrinking every quarter.
We're now in the positive job creation figures and have been for months, and the stock market has more than doubled in the last three years. We're now back into positive numbers with GDP growing, albeit slowly, and that has been the case for at least the last two years. if we had a congress interested in the well-being of the American people, it would be even better.
Someone sent me a link to the Tea Party page that had a picture of George W Bush, and a statement under the picture saying: "When I left office in 2007...". Seriously. And no one questions this sort of thing, just accepts it as reality? Lack of time to fact check is no excuse for failure to think about what you're reading.
Republicans don't believe in fact checks. They see indisputable truth and call it a leftist lie. That's because they've been lied to so long by their own Party, they couldn't recognize the truth if it bit them.
Gasoline was $1.89 a gallon the day President Obama took office. Do the math. I guess Bush, Cheney, David Lesar , Al Gore and all the other evil oil people are still running rough shot over the oil prices.
"Gasoline was $1.89 a gallon the day President Obama took office..."
The President... NO President has diddly-squat to do with the price gasoline sells for.
Do the research.
The guy that wanders in from who knows where every year around this time and causes fires in oil refineries "probably" has more to do with the price than any President. Wonder who he works for?
bd
how about this research
In case you miss it let me remind you "RECORD"
Labor Day weekend gas prices are the highest price ever recorded during a Labor Day weekend according to Gasbuddy.com. The national average for a gallon of regular gasoline hit $3.80 on Monday.
Come on Davey you are smart enough to know that what you are writing you don't even believe in...Oh the gasoline thing is as everyone knows not the Presidents deal Blame the greedy Koch Brothers and oil companies and speculators for that....You are losing it Davey
Each year, the end of summer is signified by the celebration of the Labor Day holiday on the first Monday in September. For most of us, this day is simply a day off from work and a great excuse to have a backyard barbeque. However, many people are not aware of the origins of this holiday and what it truly represents. So why do we celebrate Labor Day?
The holiday originated in 1882 as a result of the labor movement and was intended to be a day of rest to recognize the efforts of the average working man. While there is some disagreement as to who first proposed the idea of Labor Day, many historians typically credit a man named Peter J. McGuire – who was the general secretary of the Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners and a cofounder of the American Federation of Labor – as the man who first advocated for the holiday’s creation.
However, other historians in recent years have pointed to a machinist named Matthew Maguire as the man responsible for developing the holiday while serving as secretary of the Central Labor Union in New York. Regardless of the discrepancy as to who deserves the credit, it was ultimately the Central Labor Union that adopted a Labor Day proposal and appointed a committee to organize an official celebration on September 5, 1882 in New York City.
The first Monday in September was designated as the holiday because the day occurred halfway between Independence Day and Thanksgiving. This idea became popular with various labor unions and local governments around the country, and municipalities gradually came to adopt Labor Day as an official holiday before the notion gained popular support and developed into a national holiday.
The recognition of Labor Day as a national holiday for the working man came about as a result of a law signed by President Grover Cleveland. Although Cleveland was not a significant labor union supporter himself, he found the legislation enacting Labor Day as a national holiday to be a symbolic remedy for political damage he had suffered earlier that same year. During this time, he used federal troops to thwart an American Railway Union strike in Chicago, and as a result, 34 railroad workers were killed.
Labor Day was originally celebrated with large public demonstrations of workers banding together, usually in the form of rallies and parades in the streets. However, these large parades became impractical over the years as industrial centers developed. Regardless, the holiday is generally accepted with pride in recognition of the contributions that workers throughout America and Canada have made to the overall prosperity of the North American continent.
As these nations have industrialized, the efforts of laborers have made a huge impact in creating the highest standard of living among the citizenry of anywhere in the world. However, the general expression of Labor Day has expanded in recent years to include not only traditional factory workers, but government workers, educators and other working people who have all contributed to the success of the nations they represent.
http://www.professorshouse.com/Living/Holidays-Seasons/General/Articles/Why-Do-We-Celebrate-Labor-Day-/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/03/1127359/-Must-See-Paul-Ryan-2011-Labor-Day-Parade-Video-This-should-go-viral
It did go viral......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD0lh1Zj81I
President gave himself a grade on his efforts to solve the economic problems, he gave himself an "Incomplete"......I think he meant "Incompetent". Besides, it will be the American voters giving him the grade this November, not somebody who gets to grade their own work.
hey, I just saw it on fox news not more than an hour ago. We are on a roll, pulling out of the recession and so much better off than we were four years ago. Too bad they brought on a guest that is so much better at telling the truth than the usual run of the mill republican liar.
I'll give you a grade on your effort, chip .....oooops too bad "0" don't count and that is what your's add up to.
TM--you know that I have much love and respect for you, But Chip is very offended, that daveydog, is being referred to as "CHIP" maybe a better name for him would be "FETCHER"-- since he's so good at fetching all the nonsense from fox fake news, and bring it back to us. Chip just wanted you to know that he is Democrat all the way,. He takes no junk from the Party of Hell no we won't.
President Obama stopped the bleeding. The next 4yrs., he will heal the wound. The incompetent ones are the Romney/Ryan lying team. Boy, they can tell some whoopers!
Sorry, the bleeding is continuing, manufacturing jobs are still leaving.....the bleeding will stop once GE CEO Jeffery Immelt and President Obama get the wages down to 12-13 dollar an hour with little or no benefits. It has already happened at GE Appliance Park in Louisville Kentucky, Mebane North Carolina and West Burlington Iowa. One could make the arguement that we are not bleeding, just the fact that we are out of blood and available jobs. Small business as well as big business just don't have the confidence to invest their capital with the hanging uncertainty of taxes and regulations.
Food-Stamp Use Climbed to Record 46.7 Million in June, U.S. Says
Alan Bjerga, ©2012 Bloomberg News
Published 8:19 a.m., Tuesday, September 4, 2012
Sept. 4 (Bloomberg) -- A record 46.7 million Americans received food stamps in June, up 0.4 percent from the previous month, the government said
Food-stamp spending, which has more than doubled in four years to a record $75.7 billion in the fiscal year ended Sept. 30, 2011, is the USDA’s biggest annual expense.
snooooorrrrrr....that is all we hear from you Patti...Yada yada yada.....
That is two yada, yada, yada's. ......I wish for once they would bring some real information. This blab, blab, blab with no back up is draining on my good attitude.
Food-Stamp Use Climbed to Record 46.7 Million in June, U.S. Says
Alan Bjerga, ©2012 Bloomberg News
Published 8:19 a.m., Tuesday, September 4, 2012
"This blab, blab, blab with no back up is draining on my good attitude."
TM
Bloomberg
Enough Backup
Food stamps are considered a mode of government spending with a high multiplier effect. In other words, when someone is poor and using food stamps (which are now in debit card form) this often triggers more economic activity than it costs. Republicans should find a target for their ire that is less effective at stimulating the economy.
However, what happens is Republicans take the opposite approach. They believe that giving tax breaks to millionaires and billionaires is the best way to stimulate economic growth. The only problem with that is reality.
Economists say that providing food stamps might be the most stimulative action the government can take. Tax cuts for the wealthy ranks around 12th.
I'm not against tax cuts for the wealthy out of any disdain for the wealthy. I prefer everyone would keep 100% of his or her money, but I'm not sure our system that helps generate the wealth would continue to operate. So, the question is, do Republican approaches work? Who do they work for? Do they work long term?
As far as I can tell, Bush was able to stimulate the economy for a while using Republican approaches, but at the end of his time in office it entirely imploded. Reagan, same thing. I think the economy had another collapse right after he left office. So, what about the food stamp issue? Why are Republicans so concerned about it?
Charts of food stamp usage show that while a few Democrat led states have high food stamp usage; food stamp usage is highest consistently across Republican states. What does that say about the Republican approach?
To me, it says that the top down, trickle down theory of economics fails the poor. Under conditions where the poor were helped, one would expect that there would be less reliance on food stamps. People would receive short-term support, a little assistance getting on their feet, maybe some job training, or some assistance paying for community college and would be on their way.
If the poor are uplifted even just slightly then they become tax payers rather than living off food stamps. Republicans are angry about food stamp usage because they have failed to uplift the poor in their states. The top down, trickle down, economic approach has broken social mobility in Republican led states. Republicans are angry because their failed economic approach leaves them with fewer tax payers and more people on welfare.
Do you remember the spike in food stamp usage that occurred after the Bush administration? Take a look at a map of food stamp usage and comment below. In many Republican states (and a few Democrat led), food stamp usage is as much as 1/5th of the population. What does this say about the success of Republicans policies in helping the poor and middle class improve their lives?
http://www.policymic.com/articles/14007/food-stamp-use-is-highest-in-red-states-the-truth-republicans-do-not-want-you-to-know
Great post, TM.
The only way Obama will succeed at anything is if he has learned to not cooperate nor expect cooperation from the Republican party. He has to learn to go it alone and only depend on Democrats (those that don't defect to the Republican side.) If he hasn't learned that, he won't succeed at anything.
Have to agree with that, Chris, and I've long thought that was the reason behind the 2010 massive defeats for Dems. Most of us were disgusted and disappointed in an Obama that signaled willingness to cave even before negotiations began in the attempt to be 'bipartisan' or 'the only adult in the room.'
I think he's learned that lesson, and I've heard him say that at least twice in different interviews. Our job is to give him a congress that's willing to actually do its job.
Having spent a considerable amount of time studying the depression years, Romney and Ryan scare the hell out me! Given the current congressional makeup with a President Romney, we'll be a third world country quicker than you can say "We're doomed."
Here's the bottom line, President Obama inherited a bad economic situation, but unfortunetaly, he made it worse. First mistake was the 800 billion dollar stimulus that targeted the short term, not the long term.....manufacturing jobs should of been the first priority. Secondly, adding a third entitlement on top of two others (Social Security and Medicare) that were not solvent/self sustaining to begin with. Now we have ended up with 3 entitlements, no way to pay for them and the business community doesn't want to go anywhere near ObamaCare.
Can't hid from the facts. Where was his promise of leadership?
dd4~~Social security, Medicare, and Obamacare, are NOT entitlements. They are an insurance policy, purchased and paid for by the owner of the policy and that owner is not GOVERNMENT. Republicans' goal is to snatch everything from the people who have worked hard and BUILT our own financial future security, which is not for sale, for vouchers and we are not giving our bought and paid for financial security, to any republican government. Republicans, keep your hands off our social security, medicare and Obamacare!
Who made it worse? I think you are miss quoting yourself again......come on? Give us some real information....chippy. Spit the nuts out and make some sense we can understand. Speak coherently.
If we are going to come out of the prolonged economic doll drums we need a sustained strategy put in place for long term growth. We need to stop starving the public sector which is vital to our sustained growth. Here is a brief list of what must happen in the next Obama term:
1. We need a national energy plan that promotes green energy on a massive scale, fuel conservation, new types of all electric cars or electric hybrid must be pushed like the Chevy Volt. We need also to invest in $2.2 trillion worth of infrastructure investments over the next five years so our bridges don't fall down or our water mains keep bursting. We can do much of this by making private-public corporations that encourage money kept overseas in tax shelters to come home and be put in tax free bonds that pay good interest rates backed by the government to pay for our infrastructure needs. We also need to start building bullet trains in this country.
2. We must get year around school for our kids. America's educational level is slipping. We need to look at Canada and Finland for examples of how to do this then adapt the most workable parts of their systems here at home. We should build an America Corps to promote large numbers of young people to work in schools as teacher aids and teachers in coming years. These young people's student loans would gradually get paid off for each year of service in public school as a teacher aid, teacher, or social worker.
3. We must let the Bush tax cut lapse. We should also raise taxes on capital gains to 40%. We should raise the income cap on Medicare and Social Security taxes from its current $110,000 to at least $250,000 as proposed by Bernie Sanders. We also need to give tax breaks for companies that bring jobs home. We need to aggressively move to end corporate tax subsidies for mature industries while keeping in place long term tax credits for bullet trains, solar, wind, and green energy companies.
4. We need to move towards a Medicare for all public option made available at the insurance exchanges. If we fully implement the Affordable Care Act we will find we still have millions without health insurance coverage. The next step is to start expanding Medicare for all with the poor receiving Medicaid. We will never keep our medical costs down until all Americans have a doctor. Doctor shortages in the future can be helped by greatly expanding RN nurses and licensing them to practice family medicine. We should turnout RN's with this physician assistants license in assembly line fashion.
5. We are going to have to bight the bullet and break up the five largest banks in America by aggressive antitrust actions. These five largest Wall Street banks control about 60% of our financial transactions across America. If we don't break up these "too big to fail banks" we could run the risk of another financial crisis implosion followed by a Great Depression. Something tells me that the Federal Reserve may not be able to guarantee $16 trillion worth of loans to bail out the "too big to fail" banks on Wall Street. We need to do this no matter how bitterly the banks fight it or conservatives bitch.
6. We also besides getting off of foreign oil, we need to reduce the size of our military smartly so that we can invest in robotics and drone planes. The Army and Marine Corps should make sure that all ground combat units have their own full time drones and full time robotic vehicles for reconnaissance, scouting, and patrolling. All other routine tasks that are dull, boring, and dangerous tasks perform in an rifle platoon should be done with robots. We need robots in the skies, robots in the front, and robots in the rear hauling supplies to the rifle unit. Each infantry squad should have its own robot mule for carrying supplies and weapons. Each company of soldiers have their own support robots that carry heavy crew served weapons with lots of ammunition, rockets, and other needs for the squad. Robotics and drone planes have huge potential applications for civilians as well. By investing huge sums of money into robotics and engineering the U.S. could lead the world in a robot revolution. Every Coast Guard, Border Patrol, U.S. Customs, municipal police SWAT unit, and Guard and Reserve unit need drone planes, drone helicopters, drone ground robots that search for bombs, chemical weapons, gunman, or terrorists hiding in a building. Fire fighting could be revolutionized by robotics. Every dangerous, dirty, or dull job done in civilian industry and commerce could be done by robots making our society much more efficient. Huge numbers of technician jobs could be created by a booming robotics industry. When you look at the robots being used in the military you realize that the stuff written here is already on an engineer's computer graphics program. Imagine what we could accomplish with a well thought out, well funded, well organized plan to build robots on a massive scale? This robotics program could literally revolutionize American society.
We all are going to have to work.......do you think you can just sit back and relax. No such thing. You think you are willard or something like that.?
Many of the non-OECD countries are making huge capital investments in state of the art infrastructure, education, and bullet trains. These are the types of investments that America must make if we want to have any new plants, industries, a growing thriving middle class. The price of high tech capitalism is public sector investments in state of the art infrastructure, human capital investments like engineering and health care, plus green energy investments to get us off of foreign oil permanently. Utopia this will not be but this is simply the cost of keeping America in superpower economic status. If you want America to decline with a contracting economy vote for Romney/Ryan so we all can live in a 3rd world cesspool run by idiots on the right wing and GOP/Tea Party.
The reason we don't make those investments is the corporations of America are making a lot of money off of old technology and don't want new technology to cut into it. So they strangle it.
They are holding us back in the 20th century.
HillBilly, do we have an infinite amount of oil in this country? What do you think will happen when we run out of our oil resources? The answer is be TOTALLY dependent on foreign oil or, invest in green energy NOW and be ready when that day comes?
The oil in the Balkan formation in North Dakota is estimated to be about 4 and a half billion barrels. Wild estimates have been made but these are not proven reserves of oil. The U.S. burns on order of about 6.5 billion barrels of oil annually so the much discussed Balkan reserve would last about eight months. So to say we have more than the 2% of world oil reserves is simply a false claim. We could burn our own oil for at most a couple of years and then it would be all gone. So "drill baby drill" just means more oil importation from OPEC oil countries that are unstable. We subsidize oil imports to the level of $11 to $15 per gallon. Germany builds solar panels, wind farms, smart grids and bullet trains connected to commuter rail and a network of buses. So what if oil is $8 per gallon in Germany? You can just ride the excellent train system and not worry about driving. Germans are smart forward thinking people. I wish American conservatives would be too but that seems impossible because of parochialism. When Germans do drive they drive 50 MPG turbo-diesel cars for relatively short distances.
I am personally much better off in 2012 than I was in 2008. I track trends in the trade show industry and I can tell you that 2008 & 2009 the bell weather event for the TS is CES (consumer electronics industry) was filled with empty spaces where huge companies had pulled out because it just wasn't cost effective. We even joked how we could set up a bowling tournament in the central hall. 2010/2011/2012 it is over capacity. In 2012 over 147K people attended with 200+ new companies showing off their products. However the President & CEO of CEA, Gary Shapiro is endorsing the Romney/Ryan ticket since CEA, as an organization, has a vested interest in factories in China. In fact they have a panel annually, led by Henry E. Juszkiewicz, CEO of Gibson Guitars, extolling the advantages of manufacturing in China although I did see that since 2009, they have moved the finishing back to the US.
The other thing we are better off since 2008 is that we no long have a village idiot & a war criminal leading the country. For that reason alone, I'd never put in Romney/Ryan as it is almost a complete redo of the 2001-2009 Bush/Cheney ERROR.
Did i mention that I am a registered Republican and cannot even recognize my party anymore?
Good, then I encourage you not to vote.
Plus can you tell me exactly what the current administration did that created this great upward trend in the CES industry?
Physician, heal thyself.
I didn't vote in 2000 as it was too "inconvenient" for me and I will always blame myself for Bush/Cheney winning.
As to what the current administration did to help the CE industry and/or most all industries, is based on perception and the reality thereof. We no longer were in a free fall, the economy was turning around and even if it didn't turn as fast as the general public would like, it certainly has made great strides from where it was in 2008. The DJIA is currently up 2000 points from where it was in Sept 2008.
And my company just got our sales figures in for August. With 4 months to go, we have surpassed the entire year for 2008. I went from 11 analysts in 2008 to 23 in 2012.
I'm 57 and cannot afford 4 years of repeated mistakes from 2001-2008.
You go, girl.
Food-Stamp Use Climbed to Record 46.7 Million in June, U.S. Says
Alan Bjerga, ©2012 Bloomberg News
Published 8:19 a.m., Tuesday, September 4, 2012
Sept. 4 (Bloomberg) -- A record 46.7 million Americans received food stamps in June, up 0.4 percent from the previous month, the government said
Food-stamp spending, which has more than doubled in four years to a record $75.7 billion in the fiscal year ended Sept. 30, 2011, is the USDA’s biggest annual expense.
Spam Troll.
In case you miss it let me remind you "RECORD" "HIGHEST PRICE RECORDED"
Labor Day weekend gas prices are the highest price ever recorded during a Labor Day weekend according to Gasbuddy.com. The national average for a gallon of regular gasoline hit $3.80 on Monday.
Under President Obama
Moving in the WRONG DIRECTION
The NY Times just ran an article about people's short memories... Given the way they affected my business, I've retained the knowledge of what they were in July, 2008, when Bush was still in office...
http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2008/07/gas-prices-1.html
The average price at that time was $4.11 a gallon...
SL
"The price of gas when Obama took office was $1.83 a gallon.
"Marking the similarities between President Barack Obama's time in office and former president Jimmy Carter's is nothing new. But as of Monday, Obama has hit one more Carter benchmark - both saw gas prices double in their first term of office"
"Feeling pain at the pump? You're not alone. Gas prices have officially doubled in President Obama's first term."
just like a republican, trying to suppress the vote #10.1, drpaultyler. We will all be voting and even encouraging you ignorant republicans to do the same thing.
Holly, you do have a goodhead. Keep it on your shoulders and stand up for what you believe.
You have to say where the gas prices are. I'm in New York. Gas prices here haven't been below 3 dollars in a long time.
Patty,
Oil prices have fell to $96 a barrel. Why are prices going up? If you can't answer my question, I can.
John, Want to bet that if she answers, what the crap will be?
Just have to say this again,
If President Obama came out in favor of oxygen, republicans would suffocate. This is why he should go on TV and ask people not to eat yellow snow, and then we can sit back and watch FOX News explain how good yellow snow really is.
Republicans demand that all welfare and unemployment insurance recipients get drug-tested, Democrats should demand that all new gun owners & purchasers be drug-tested. Then we could sit back and watch how the Republicans claim that drug-testing is totally unconstitutional. It would be fun to watch.
I still want Obama to come out in favor of oxygen. It would solve the whole problem.
How about pizza, I like pizza.
trouble is doc. You would vote against pizza if Obama said it was good for you. Just a republican bad habit.
Once again on this blog someone has assumed I am a Republican.
Maybe you're in the closet.
drpaultyler:
Nobody assumed you were a republican I think most of us assumed that you are a nut.
Excuse me-What the hell's the difference?
NUTS to be a Democrate
Also President Obama and the left Leaning Democrats are now proven liars
When President Obama a few months ago stated that the states have the right to
choose for their own state whether or not to allow same sex marriages
Now are the platform they was to take away the rights of the states in order to
make their own state decisions
Funny how Hypocritical left Leaning Liberal democrats and President Obama are
I think you do protest too much, pat.
we know who the proven liars are ......r & r, case in point.
All the president said is that he thought everyone should have equal rights. He didn't say he was going to make it a federal law. Do you like people who think they are holier than you telling you what to do with your life. Or, are you so sanctimoniously straight you think it is only fair for you?
Again
TM
You are starting to surprise me
In the new Democratic Platform President Obama wants to take away the
state rights to decide
Look it up, Read it then we can talk
"The proposed Democratic platform also calls for the repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act, which allows states to not recognize same-sex"
pat, haveing a conversation with you when I can talk to a brick wall anytime I want to. Or a republican for that matter. There are about a thousand more enjoyable things I can think to do that I would enjoy more. So I'm not surprised when you get off subject or why you come here. Why don't you read it. I like it.!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/03/democratic-party-platform_n_1853120.html
CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- The Democratic Party unveiled its formal 2012 platform on Monday night. And like its Republican counterpart, it is heavy on broad philosophical strokes about the direction in which the party wants to take the country, short on policy specifics and carefully worded on some of the more contentious issues.
It also is peppered with numerous shots at Mitt Romney, none more so than on the issue of insourcing.
"The Democratic Party believes in insourcing so that America can out-build the rest of the world again," the platform reads. "We want to cut tax breaks for companies that are shipping jobs overseas and for special interests, and instead offer tax breaks to companies that are investing right here in the United States of America, betting on American workers who are making American products we sell to the world that are stamped with three proud words: Made in America."
"But the Republican Party has nominated a man whose firm invested in companies that were pioneers of outsourcing -- and whose plans would actually encourage outsourcing by eliminating all taxes on the foreign profits of U.S. companies," it adds, for some partisan measure.
It is, in short, a political document. But one worth reading, if only to get a sense of where the party wants to position itself heading into the final weeks of the 2012 campaign. The full platform is below.
TM
Lets cut to the chase
Are you for or against the Democratic Platform that states "repeal of the
Defense of Marriage Act,
which allows states to not recognize same-sex" Marriages
Why do the Left Leaning Democratic Liberals find the need to be NASTY
when they hear an opposing opinion???
Why are Republicans so relentlessly hypocritical?
This is what Forbes has to say about Ryans tax plan. Definitely not liberal media.
President Obama has reached a point in he Presidency where he is bypassing congress by executive order. For example, The Dream Act was voted down in both chambers of congress and the President stepped in and passed it. Secondly, the Welfare Reform Act of 1996 was gutted after President Obama used a provision in the Social Security Act to take out the work requirement.
Davey: The Dream Act was passed in the House and had a majority of Senators but was filibustered by the GOP in December, 2010.
"...//www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/17/1100802/-Mitt-Romney-Lies-Again-FACT-GOP-Filibustered-Dream-Act-Twice-in-2010"
"...//www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/15/dream-act-supporters-target-filibuster/?page=all"
4 years ago, the unemployment rate was not over 8%.
The number of people on food stamps was far less.
There were more companies 4 years ago.
There were more small banks 4 years ago.
There were more people working 4 years ago than today.
But leave it to the liberals to twist the facts all around to their best advantage.
Next what was the price of gas 4 years ago.
ho-lee-cow.....before the left starts blaming Bush for all the things you mentioned. I thought I would point out some things that The Real Chris brought to my attention.....he stated that the Gramm Leach Bliley Act that was passed by both Democrats and Republicans....signed into law by Bill Clinton was "largely to blame for the economic meltdown."
He only forgot to mention....NAFTA, Affordable Housing act of 1992, Barney Frank and his Democrat buddies denying that a housing bubble could even exist and Praising Freddie and Fannie in the process.
It wasn't Reaganomics....it was bad policies supported by both parties. If it were not for Reagan creating a strong economy from the brink of the Carter disaster......the economy would be much worse than it is now.
And here comes tap with his reposts of the very same things he was shown to be a liar the first time he posted his lies. Really tap we know you are not very honest after all just 12 short weeks ago you had a hissy fit and whined that you were never going to post on Ed's blog again.
LOL whom....first you say it was 2 months ago....now you say 3 months ago....well recalling the past isn't your strong suit now is it....First of all I posted a fairwell to let my friends know why I was not on the vine anymore. I did not promise anyone anything. My situation has changed now and I have reactivated my account. I know you took it as a promise to you because you so desperately wanted me gone.......Don't worry I won't be too hard on you and your drivel.
I just have one question for you whom.....Do you agree with Chris that the Gramm Leach Bliley Act was largely the cause for the economic meltdown?????......
The debt has just crossed $$$$16 trillion dollars.... Thank you Obama
The GOP pushing supply side economic hogwash is what caused the 2008 recession. Certainly the GOP sponsored Graham-Leach-Bliley Act caused the 2008 recession. The Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission Report stated that human conditions caused by reckless corporate governance, a culture of lax SEC regulatory oversight, and the hubris and greed caused by the "too big to fail" banks who created highly leveraged mortgaged backed securities that Warrren Buffet called "financial instruments of mass destruction." When the big boom went bust the taxpayers got stuck with the bailout bills and the mess. The Federal Reserve had to take $16 trillion worth of loan guarantees to keep the whole financial system from falling apart. The proof is in Canada. Canada kept their version of the Glass-Steagall act in place, separating commercial banks from investment banks. No Canadian taxpayer bailouts were necessary for failed Canadian banks. But I guess Canadians are much wiser than American conservatives. Checkout message #260 on the thread below for references about the "too big to fail banks":
"....//ed.msnbc.com/_news/2012/09/03/13643248-poll-will-you-be-better-off-4-years-from-now-under-mitt-romney?threadId=3556704&commentId=69643994#c69643994"
You should contact the vine and ask them to let you post links.
I have never mastered the link thing on the vine. If someone wants they can simply copy can paste the link and get there but you are right a link is handier for most readers.